SPEAKERS / LAWYERS:-
A. P.WATHA MOORTHY
CIVIL SUIT FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE 2 MILLION MALAYSIAN INDIANS IN LONDON ON 30.8.2007 IE ON THE EVE OF MALAYSIA’S 50TH YEAR GOLDEN JUBILEE INDEPENDENCE CELEBRATIONS, THE PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY BY THE HINDU HUMAN RIGHTS OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OUTSIDE THE MALAYSIAN HIGH COMMISSION IN LONDON ON 30.8.2007, MEETINGS WITH NGOS’ IN LONDON, NEW YORK AND WASHINGTON AND MEETINGS WITH UNITED STATES SENATOR BARBARA BOXER OF THE U.S. FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE AND OTHER CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS’ SECRETARIES OF THE U.S HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND CONGRESS HUMAN RIGHTS CAUCAS, FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE.
B. K.KENGHADHARAN
DETAILS OF THE USD 4 TRILLION CIVIL SUIT.
C. M.MANOHARAN (CHAIR)
18 POINT DEMANDS OF THE MALAYSIAN INDIANS TO
Y.A.B.PRIME MINISTER BADAWI
D. V.GANABATI RAU
NO ALLOCATION IN THE 2008 BUDGET FOR THE INDIAN POOR AND FOR ALL 523 TAMIL SCHOOLS, HINDU TEMPLES AND CREMATORIUMS (ALSO INDISCRIMINATELY DEMOLISHED) BUT ALLOCATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE FOR ALMOST ALL OTHER POOR COMMUNITIES IN MALAYSIA.
E. P.UTHAYAKUMAR
UMNO’S DISCRIMINATION OF THE INDIAN POOR IN MALAYSIA AND SLIDE SHOW
1. VENUE : GHANDI HALL TELUK INTAN (V.GANABATIRAU)
DATE: 20.10.2007(SATURDAY), TIME: 6.30P.M
2. VENUE : SRI SUBRAMANIAM TEMPLE HALL TELUK PULAI KLANG (RAGU: 016-3074990)
DATE: 27.10.2007 (SATURDAY) TIME: 7.00P.M
3. VENUE : BRITISH HIGH COMMISSION
DATE: 25-11-2007 (SUNDAY) TIME: 9.00A.M
(PRESENTATION OF PETITION TO QUEEN ELIZABETH TO APPOINT QUEENS
COUNSEL FOR THE USD 4 TRILLION CIVIL SUIT IN LONDON)
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I symphatise with the plight of many poor Indians. But going after the British Govt. is quite laughable, at least from the layman’s point of view. Nevertheless, I and many friends wish you all luck.
You mentioned Umno controlled Malaysian Govt..Much I dont like Umno (which stood for YOU MUST NOT OBJECT), I think much responsibility for the plight should be directed to MIC (in 1957, MIC stood for MAY I COME-IN?). MIC MPs are represented in Parliament, and Cabinet). If they have not done their job, then why let them off?
“I think much responsibility for the plight should be directed to MIC”
I think it is counter productive to hope for anything from MIC. Even if there are individuals/groups within MIC that do have the best interest of the Malaysian Indian community at heart, they are, sadly, a marginal entity with no actual influence or power. For a political party (especially BN components) power comes from seats – e.g. this is why for PPP is in such a sad state today, and struggling for it’s existence.
MIC may *appear* to have seats (and therefore power), but in reality it has no power. Wherever MIC has a parliamentary/DUN seat, it is secured through UMNO. This is because there are very few seats (or is there even 1 seat?) that have an Indian majority population. Most of the time it is Malay majority, with a sizable Indian minority. So the Indian vote is cancelled out by the Malay vote.
So if the MIC candidate wants to win, he has to rely on the local UMNO support. Therefore, although officially MIC “wins” the seat, in reality the seat (and therefore the MIC MP) is controlled by UMNO.
That’s not to say Indian voters have no power – in truth, whenever the UMNO base is weak, an Indian swing can produce an opposition victory (and a stern wakup call to BN). The challenge is for Indian voters to take advantage of these opportunities when they arise. Such opportunity was there in 1999. The next time such an opportunity comes, we better be ready.
I am very much simpathy with you and the Malaysian Indians. Why is that only Indians are poor although they have been in this country for more than 100 years. The chinese also came to this country for a living. But they have work and become a force in Economy, Education all the fields in Malaysia.They have become powerful economically, also in other fields. We Indians always want the best but everything must be provided by other parties without much effort. Always dependent on MIC ( which is more for its cronies’ betterment only) our NGOs for their financial gain through Social activities.(Always interested in degrading others and gain popularity ). WE MUST WORK FOR OUR BETTERMENT. IF EVERY INDIVIDU UNDERSTAND HIS RESPONSIBILITY OUR SOCIETY WILL PROGRESS IN 2020.
I think more indians are beginning to know about hindraf. I got to know about it just yesterday. The core issue raised by Hindraf have potential to gain momentum . Nothing will come easy – or without some form of struggle. Whatever the outcome of the suit against the british government I think it has got plenty of value to build awareness on the issues and to make clear that there are more ways than one to get attention to these issues.
Well, first of all we must realise that the suit was not to win but to get the world’s eyes on the plight of the Malaysian Indian. And with that, we can hope to embarass the Malaysian Government (if they have any shame!)to rethink this whole racially-political situation and administration.
Otherwise, it’s the first baby-step in a long journey for our rights. It has served as a wake-up call for many Indians!
As for Indians expecting to be spoon-fed or degrading our own efforts or not working to uplift ourselves, it’s true but the writer has forgotten the majority of Indians that have had only themselves and their family to support and uplift them. It does take all kinds of Indians to make the world go around!
Our political system is flawed. We are the only nation with a racially-aligned political party. What good can come out of that? So, a weak system produces weak parties with weak leaders that untimately weakens the society. Now, ain’t that the truth?
A PM is leader of all races and not only for the Malays of UMNO. All of our PM’s have failed us especially the Indians. We have corrupted leaders and yet they are still maintained in the Cabinet and in all the so call supreme councils. They have failed us in every aspects of governance…. Malaya maybe for Malays but no MALAYSIA……. Malaysia is for every Malaysian…………
A PM is leader of all races and not only for the Malays of UMNO. All of our PM’s have failed us especially the Indians. We have corrupted leaders and yet they are still in the Cabinet and in all the so call supreme councils. They have failed us in every aspect of governance…. Malaya maybe for Malays but not MALAYSIA……. Malaysia is for every Malaysian…………is for everyone…
A PM is leader of all races and not only for the Malays of UMNO. All of our PM’s have failed us especially the Indians. We have corrupted leaders and yet they are still in the Cabinet and in all the so call supreme councils. They have failed us in every aspect of governance…. Malaya maybe for Malays but not MALAYSIA……. Malaysia is for every Malaysian…………is for everyone…
I think tis is te good way to publish bcoz every indians must understand the problem n be together. As Malaysian wht i look around in this Malaysia is, Malays peoples and chinese are come 2gether and help each other in every occasion but why this Indians still not changed? Gangsterism, victims are always around them, jeolusly. not help each other than how we can fight this problem? Be 2gether n pls do something to settle this problem first.
Who is to be blamed? The current Malaysian Goverment is elected by the Malaysian people, one may claim that there are irregularity in the voting process, but with over 90% win in the parliment, I am sure those qualified voters(Indians included) played a significant role in contributing to the 90% win by BN(led by UMNO). BN got only less than 65% of the votes, but they secured 90% of the seat in parliment. If the people (Malays, Chinese, Indians and not to forget our fellow Malaysian in Sabah and Sarawak) are united, anticipating a 50:50 election result can be a reality. Cast your vote wisely !
if malaysian goverment give disteping for this gatering, something difrent will happen..mind it !!! plz dont make every indians angry.
I can see what hindraf is trying to tell. But they forget to understand fundamental issues. You must be given the basics to perform. Chinese from beginning had a different view rather than Indian who landed in Malaysia. Your basic education should be equal…Indians are smart..you give then the oppurtunity first..not for half boils but the real one. No to your family member but to every deserve Indian, then you see the difference(s).
Ask yourself, are we equal chance in our education? Are we given biz oppotunity by giving license? Can any Indian student(s) get a 1st Honour despite the are very smart? Please get down to fundamentals. Don’t see the issue(s) from your point of view. We all are directly or indirectly affected by the marginalization issue.
I encounrage very Indian in this country, think, think, think because we are lacking that, and to implement(s) any new things to improve our life. We should be united not only with our kind but also with other races. Who said the Malays or Chinese in general is not giving any oppurtunities? You must be good and excel. Hard work and great thinking is needed. Wake up my brothers.
Solution don’t come us, if we manage to stop Goverment from breaking up temples. The real solution is inside you. Ask youself, what am I doing other than my routine!
Yes, I agree the basics are not given to our merits but we can make the change. Stop waiting for goverment to feed you, make the change from you and your immediate family.
Indian parents are making the mistakes. Stop you astro, throw the TV away and then see the changes.
Fellow Indian
dearest swastika04… mind your thought .. done ever ..ever .. never … make malays angry … all Malaysian Indians will regret it … Chinese already learn their lesson .. that was 40 years ago .. now we are ready for everything .. mind your thought !!
All should understand this very clear … the goverment is representing the people .. and the people in Malaysia is majority Malays … who have their Agongs and Sultan … who do you think you all Indians are ??? questioning the Malay ??
You all have MIC, IPF, etc. use political mean, be civilized … don’t creat anarchy .. put Malaysia in shame ?? threaten the Malay ?? dammed you !!
Indian are very popular with “Auta” means exaggeration … there are still poor Malays, Chinese, Kadasan, Orang Asli, etc in Malaysia … you all are nothing more then AUTA jer lebih !!
MARGINALIZATION OF THE MALAYSIAN INDIANS BY THE UMNO CONTROLLED MALAYSIAN …. my foot! you all have been marginalised by your own people … those who reap the benefits from Malays generousity … go shout to your own leader .. rich indian man .. go fly kites !
Indians were born in Malaysia but are
treated as second- or third- class
citizens by the government controlled
by ethnic Malays.
look at wat happened yesterday during the Hindraf protest….
All d indians have come
from far and near to gather peacefully
but we’re being treated like
criminals. No one there was
carrying any weapons so why are the
police being this violent against
us???
The
government was using the riot police
to attack the peaceful
march. We’re going along the way
of India’s Mahatma Gandhi… in a peace
march for equal rights. There is
still a lot more to be done for the
Indians and we’ll continue with our
struggle.
Wat rights do u think dat v have in malaysia now?
After 50
years, what freedom do we have.
the gathering would have remained calm if
the police had allowed a group of
people to submit the signatures to the
British high commission…
But
police provoked public violence and
people began retaliating to the water
cannon and tear gas.
“I saw
police catch a man and cover his head
before beating him in full view of the
public. It was shocking.”
watever it is… v’ll still continue with our protestion…n continue 2 fight 4 our rights!!
saya percaya tujuan hindraf mengadakan perhimpunan ini untuk ditujukan kepada kerajaan malaysia supaya tidak meminggirkan kaum india dan bukan melayu di malaysia dan tidak hanya memberikan perhatian kepada kaum melayu sahaja.
Sebagai Rakyat Malaysia bukan melayu, saya menjunjung and menhormati hak hak keistimewaan orang orang melayu seperti yang tertakluk di dalam perlembagaan Malaysia yang di persetujui oleh semua kaum di Malaysia semasa negara kita mencapai kemerdekaan 50 tahun yang lalu.
Akan tetapi yang dikesalkan hak hak keistimewaan melayu yang di persetujui bersama telah di mungkir oleh UMNO dan melebihi daripada apa yang dipersetujui oleh datuk kita semasa negara kita mencapai merdeka! Hak hak bukan melayu di rampas satu per satu dan dari masa ke semasa. lihat saja AP kereta! bukan melayu satu pun tak dapat! lihat saja Bank di Malaysia. Bukan Melayu hanya tinggal 2 bank sahaja, itu pun akan diambil alih bila pemilik bank yang sudahpun tua meninggal dunia. Akhirnya bukan Melayu tidak akan memiliki apa apa pun hak dan perniagaan di Malaysia.
Jangan terkejut dimasa hadapan kalau orang cina nak jual Char Keow Tiaw kena mendapatkan AP atau membeli AP daripada orang melayu (alibaba) dan kaum india nak jual roti canai kena mendapatkan permit khas.Ini bukan joking, Ia mungkin berlaku.
shai… all of the indians in Malaysia are the lowest class in india at the time British bring them to Malaysia… they are called “PARIA” at that time… dont you know?
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“Nonsense
Nov 27th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
shai… all of the indians in Malaysia are the lowest class in india at the time British bring them to Malaysia… they are called “PARIA†at that time… dont you know? ”
Then what about you? PARIA DOG? How sure you said that? Based on your nick, i can sure you are TOTALLY PARIA NONSENSE (BATU BAWA)!!!
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“tuah67
Nov 26th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
MARGINALIZATION OF THE MALAYSIAN INDIANS BY THE UMNO CONTROLLED MALAYSIAN …. my foot! you all have been marginalised by your own people … those who reap the benefits from Malays generousity … go shout to your own leader .. rich indian man .. go fly kites ! ”
I agree with you tuah67. Indian should blame Fcking Semy NO VALUE! By the way, as your statement below i dont think so you went to school.Am i right tuah67?
“dearest swastika04… mind your thought .. done ever ..ever .. never … make malays angry … all Malaysian Indians will regret it … Chinese already learn their lesson .. that was 40 years ago .. now we are ready for everything .. mind your thought !! ”
None of Malaysian Indians will regret it ;) Trust me! I have learned Malay got worsed that time. Jgn lebih2 ayat brader. Kita manusia, semua bangsa ade jahat dan baik. Nie bukan utk settle tapi sedarkan hang. Baik bersalam daripada bertumbuk. Semua rugi kalau semua pikir cam hang.
TO , TUAH67 AND NONSENSE………………………………… I have gone through your messaage.You are really a culprit.This message is only for you.Actually we are not against our brotherwood Malays.We just asking our rights thats all.You culprit tuah67,don’t manuplate this insident for your own gain.We respect the malays highly because the language they are using is 75 percent is Tamil and Sanscrit.And they are Hindu formly before they became a muslim.In that manner we accept and respect them as our elderly brother.The history can tell you the truth.We too love Islam and Malays.We know that they also love Indian.For your understanding there are so many Malays take part in 25th humble gathering at KL.
While it was good a step for the Malays to be given privileges to catch up with other races, it appears after 50 years of social engineering, there appears to be no end in sight for this human greediness. In fact, it appears to be gathering momentum that the government forces could go about freely demolishing Hindu temples and intimidating people of other religious beliefs and yet not held accountable.
The world is watching this fast becoming “Pariah” nation. The world community should take note of this Racial/ Religious discrimination and exclude Malaysia from Trade agreements untill true democracy is restored and equal opportunities given to all races irrespective of race, colour or creed.
hello tuah 67 . Do you know what is the meaning of marginalized. Every indian has been marginalized. Why did the Govt destroy our temple in Kg Jawa? Why the didnt break the Datuk Zakaria s mansion. For goodness gracious dont you wonder where is the hell an assemblymen got all those money to built a mansion worth * million ringgit. Can Indians get 5% discount when they buy a house. Can Indians get into 100% funded MARA college? Can Indians open a petrol station without giving 51% ownership to BumiPutra? Can Indian become a Prime Minister? Can Indian go to Local University without the qouta system and now you call meritrocracy? what word is that only in Malaysia such word has been used. Why dont they use and practice equal rights? Our Malaysian has the tendency to see other countries fr their flaws. I still remember our ex PM cried because the Bosnian children didnt get any education. Have you ever seen a Tamil school in a rural town. Its like a cow shed. Indians are the only race who supported the BN 98% but what do we get nothing but we still acheived middle class without any subsidy. Bravo to all Indians. Remember the election in Lunas. We supported BN . When Khairy and his goons protested against condoleeza Rice to hand over the memo did he apply for the permit ????? They were protected by or police. Where was the tear gas,FRU,water canon ?
Wow! USD4 Trillion!! You must be special Indian than those in India themself.
To third class indian. have u ever seen a Tamil school else where other than Malaysia and India?
Can Indians open a petrol station without giving 51% ownership to BumiPutra?
Yes they do. There are many 100% non-malay petrol station in the country.
Can Indian become a Prime Minister?
No they cant. Only Malaysian can.
Can Indian go to Local University without the qouta system and now you call meritrocracy?
Yes they do – as long as you are qualified!
Pls. remove all the sensitive comments if any..
Dear populations,
Everyone living on earth is only temporarily. The earth belongs to everyone of us even though we are bound by the countries that we came from. So citizens of the world, when we die, we don’t bring any of the things that we acumulated over the years except one thing. The deed. When we die, people remember the deeds that you have done when u’re alive. Everthing else will be forgotten. So stop thinking that any one race is superior than the other and treat everyone the same.
Since the issues of marginlization has blown up so much and the Malaysian government has played a deaf ears, it time for the Prime minister, deputy prime minister and MIC president to step down if they are not able to sit down and resolve the issues. Clearly, there wasn’t such a problems during Mahathir’s leadership.
All the Chinese and Indian should move out of Malaysia and then let the world to see how the country will survive.
Mr Lee Kuan yiew of Singapore has also recently commented on the issue of Malaysian chinese being marginalized in Malaysia too and had caused a lot of hoo har..! Chinese and Indians, do think carefully when you cast your votes the next time. If getting angry is what UMNO can do to help, it only shows how incapable their leaders are in resolving national issues. A true leader must be able to manage any situation calmly and must provide immediate solutions to the issues. That is why the people choose them to be their leaders. Having said that, the Malaysia goverment is already 100 years behind Singapore’s excellant equal policy rights for everyone. Maybe if Malaysia were to adopt SIngapore’s policy, then the Chinese and Indians will be 100 years ahead of the majority populations. Malaysia should start to appoint those highly educated and intellectuals to run its country and not those school drop-outs.
These stupid polis. They are only good getting bribes from Massagr parlour and SPA centers. I am a frequent customer who goes for massage regularly and sometimes the massage parlours in cheras and pudu got raided when i am sitting there. I got some opportunity to video tape the polis taking some bribes during the massage parlour raids and will be posting it on the web soon. Those who wants to download the video clips and photos – pls call me directly at 012-3691850
Who is the richest man in malaysia?? Is it malay or chinese?? Its indian!! his name is Ananda Krishna!! Tak adil kalau kata orang melayu berat sebelah atau pentingkan diri. Second ritchest, Chinese, third ritchest, chinese…. etc. Jgn main hentam org melayu ja!!
The main problem in Malaysia today is the social contract. This is really meaningless as almost all non-Malays today are in their fourth generation born here and yet still have to abide to a social contract that was signed by their great grandfathers who they never even knew.
There are immigrants all over the world but Malaysia is the only country in the world that practises so called social contact to divide its’ citizens and deny certain groups from having equal rights.
The only party who can understand this simple logic and create a fair
play is the Malays themselves. I would like to ask the Malay how would they feel if being born 4th generation in Malaysia and still denied equal rights. Is this fair ? It is like a curse for the entire generations down the road. It sounds like reverse apartheid in somesense that is to deny a human being equal rights just beacuse of the color of his skin or religion differences. Any sensible person can tell that this is grossly unfair.